scotland yard at the same time. neil wallace's daughter apparently and so on so on how far does it go? >> this is something i don't know. something various different inquiries launched will have to get to the bottom of. one thing that is clear there was culture this was normal. wasn't just a few bad apples doing bad things. if i had had been some ways we would be left worrying. actually a culture this seemed fine, people good people and good police officers thought it was normal to have lunch with a journalist and take a little bit of a -- >> that was wrong. >> that was wrong. you have to root out the whole thing. not just the few individuals. >> why did boris johnson when some of this come up say, a lot of is --. degree of complacency going to the very top within london, wasn't there? >> i think whole political class have underestimated this for a very long time because frankly we were all the in the business of trying to win approval of various newspapers and various journalists and editors and even proprietors. y